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If you have OVERCOME THE WORLD, which you must do in order to be born again/saved, then you have been DELIVERED FROM EVIL. That means you have been delivered from the threat of Hell. Jesus promises the overcomer that

1. he will be sealed (marked0 with the father's name and will go out no more
2. That those who are given to him will NEVER be plucked out of his hand
3. that those who HEAR HIS VOICE, will NOT FOLLOW ANOTHER
4. That he that has the spirit abides forever, AS THEY ARE NO LONGER OF THE WORLD.

if we realize who the TRULY REBORN ARE, we will see, that once you are SAVED, you are always SAVED.

Notice also that the old covenant differs from the new covenant in that God's GRACE AND SALVATION WAS given ALL JEWS AT THE GET GO. But see, then some were disobedient and slapped him in the face so they were destroyed.

However, in the new covenant, we are not AUTOMATICALLY GIVEN GRACE. We must overcome first, via letting the Holy Ghost teach us and lead us to Jesus who at that point COMES INTO US. Only then are we HIS sheep. Before that we are just plain "sheep"

You see, by making the people come to HIM, God knows that those who are HIS overcame the world and loved not their lives (carnal spirits) for HIS SAKE. Therefore they given MERCY AND GRACE. He who has overcome has the flesh crucified. You see? They offered up the ACCEPTABLE SACRAFICE, and by doing this pleased God to the point where he gave them HIS SPIRIT.

Keep in mind that those whomake it that far did not do it alone, but by the power of God through the Holy Ghost...

So just to reitterate, if we realize what BEING SAVED MEANS, i.e. overcoming the world and receiving deliverance, then we can see that one who is TRULY SAVED will NEVER BE CAST OUT.

However, there are many who say they are saved before they are saved, and the evidence of this is in what they say, as in errors concerning the word, and thinking they can do whatever they want and God will forgive them.

The fault in this logic is that GOD ONLY FORGIVES SINS ONCE. It is at ONE POINT he forgives. The SIN IS REMEMBERED NO MORE. Sin is COVERED BY GRACE and a new heart and Spirit is given, therefore the person will be disobedient very INFREQUENTLY, as its only contender is the flesh body, but through the spirit, that will also be quelled. A TRULY SAVED PERSON, will not act as a HEATHEN, that is FOR SURE!

We need hold fast to the word and pray for protection from deception. we need to pray for guidance.

We need to AVOID making the mistake of the Pharisees which is CLAIMING RIGHTEOUSNESS before it is TULY OURS TO CLAIM. The Pharisees thought they were CHOSEN, but didn't RECOGNIZE GOD when he was right in front of their FACES. Jesus' TRUE SHEEP KNOW HIM. and HE KNOWS THEM. Jesus' true sheep CANNOT BE DECEIVED BY ANYTHING! That is right, the ELECT CANNOT BE DUPED. Remember, they have been delivered, so the devil can no longer have thier soul. Of course they will still face persecution and stuff, but SPIRITUALLY THEY ARE SEALED. They have entered into the covenant. THAT COVENANT CANNOT BE BROKEN!
(Picture it like a sheep being "branded" once "branded" that branding mark NEVER COMES OFF. When you have the father's name written on you spiritually, it isn't going away! Just like at the end when people take the mark, not only are they chipped, but spiritually branded)

I pray this message is heard.

Angie

Hi Bernie!

Here are your questions with some answers:

) Where do you see that one must first overcome the world in order to be born again? I believe that the process of being born again (Jn 3) is spiritual regeneration. The Bible teaches that ...a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (1Cor 2:

That is right the natural man does not accept the things of God. That is why he needs the Holy Ghost as a guide and SPIRITUAL DISCERNER. Remember, the Holy Ghost is the oil in the lamp we carry on our journey to meet jesus.
Now if you have to be BORN again to accept the things of god, then you couldn't accept them in the first place because you were natural before you were born again. See, the Holy Ghost discerns FOR YOU. At the beginning of your walk you are given the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. Not the gift of GRACE yet, but the HOLY GHOST himself, who will guide you. remember you can't even say JESUS IS LORD, without the Holy Ghost!

Rebirth is SPIRITUAL REGENERATION. You are correct. So let me ask a few questions before the rest of your questions:

1. Is someone who is SPIRITUAL of this world? Or is someone who is SPIRITUAL not of this world?
2. If someone is SPIRITUAL (not of this world) than haven't they OVERCOME THE WORLD?
3. If you have overcome the world, are you not delivered from the evil one?
4. If you are delivered from evil, do you really think you will be redelivered into evil? Deny not the power of God.

OVERCOMING IS A VICTORY, a PERMANENT VICTORY. That is why if you resist the devil (overcome) he will FLEE FROM YOU. However on the journey he wants to SIFT YOU AS WHEAT. So beware!

Next you asked, "2) If those who hear Jesus voice do not follow another, how do you explain that the Christian can "hear some truths but not all? Surely you know some who profess faith who do not agree with others (who also profess faith) over important differences in doctrine? Who is right? How do you know? If you say the Holy Spirit showed you the truth, but someone takes an opposite view who also claims to have been taught by the Spirit, who is correct?"

I believe if you are TRULY SAVED, you will not err according to the faith. If you truly have the light inside you, you are a TRUE witness. A TRUE witness is not PARTIALLY TRUE. You will not lead someone astray not in a moment or ever. I believe people who STRIVE over doctrines are still CARNAL. Jesus TAUGHT with authority, he didn't debate it.
I believe if someone is truly saved, he WON'T LISTEN TO OTHER VOICES. He can't, jesus said he can't.
How do we know who is right? Well there have to be 2 witnesses right? Pick up the WORD, if what one is saying is 100% in line with the word, there are your 2 witnesses (spirit+word). If someone is speaking erroneously, how can we say the TRUTH IS IN THEM? Again truth means TRUTH. If jesus is the TRUTH, do we dare say PARTIAL TRUTH? No the truth inside is the whole truth. I believe newborns may not know EVERYTHING, but they still won't err.

Another question was," What about those whom the BIble says fall from grace (Gal 5:4, Heb 6:4-8, Mat 7:21-22)? Can we easily dismiss those in Mat 7:21-22 by saying they must not have really been Christs to begin with? "

ABSOLUTELY. All of us who call Jesus Lord are his servants. People who do not call jesus lord are not his servants, they serve ANOTHER. But there are two types of servants, WISE and FOOLISH, the wise do the will of the father and BECOME BORN AGAIN (sons) the FOOLISH, do not do the will and never come to know JESUS, because they never overcome or receive the new birth. He says I NEVER knew you. NEVER! NOT AT ANY TIME! So no, they were NEVER HIS although they called him Lord. Do you see this?

I hope this is clear for you Bernie, I am praying for discernment as i answer these questions with the guidance of the Holy Ghost.

Next you asked, , "Surely, those who perform miracles and prophesy must be considered by a general, standard definition of Christian to qualify as truly Christs?"

Well sure, they call him Lord and have received gifts for doing so, but these can all come BEFORE GRACE. These gifts of the Holy Ghost are from a baptism in the power of the Lord. They make you part of the body, but the BRIDE, is a small part of the BODY. The BRIDE ARE THE SAVED, the rest perish.

Then you asked, "If sin comes from the heart (Mat 15:18-19), but one has a new sinless heart [and 1Jn 3:9 appears to agree with this], how can the flesh make that new heart sin and do something that is completely removed from it? If sin comes from the heart, how can we say it is transfered to the flesh? At what point does sin move from the heart to the flesh? Where do you see evidence of this in the Bible?"

The new heart isn't SINNING. Grace COVERS SIN. Grace BREAKS THE CURSE OF SIN. Once you have been born again (received a new spirit and grace) you are NO LONGER UNDER SIN, BUT YOU ARE A SON. A son CAN'T SIN, because the indwelling spirit is CHANGED. But our flesh, our literal flesh, which isn't our spirit but our earthly body, still can be disobedient. But this isn't sin, because remember, under grace you sin not. In God's eyes, a son of God is no longer sin, BUT must be chastised if he disobeys. I am not sure what he may be disobedient in, maybe something like if God told him to go to a city and talk to folks there and he wouldn't go, or something like that. He has the laws written on his heart so he will kepp the 10 commandments.(Remeber, if you do the first and great one, then you can do the second, and ALL the commandments are hinged on those two. The first one involves loving him more than you love your sinful spirit to the point where you will lay that spirit down for him. This is a REAL SPIRITUAL DEATH. ) It would have to be disobedience outside of that, like I said, not listening when he's being told to do something, etc.

Also, you asked, "Also, if God only forgives sin once...at ONE POINT....and we then sin again, regardless of its frequency, arent we condemned all over again? James says, For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. (James 2:10) If sin is only forgiven at one point, isnt any sin after that unforgiven?"

Ok, we need to keep in mind first, taht sometimes, they are talking to people who are not reborn yet, and sometimes they are talking to people who are. In this passage, James is talking to UNREGENERATED PEOPLE. How do we know? Because he is talking about JUDGING ACCORDING TO THE LAW, not the SPIRIT.

You see, those who have not the spirit within in this chapter are judging others left and right according to the LAW. James was telling them, if you live under the law, by the law YE SHALL BE JUDGED. Since none of them could keep the entire law as an unsaved person, this was a WARNING TO THEM. He told them, yeah, you believe there is one God, but that DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS, because EVEN THE DEVILS BELIEVE AND TREMBLE. But you see, once you are SPIRITUAL, YOU JUDGE ALL THINGS. If you die in your sins, without being saved, christian or nonchristian, any works you had will be corrupt fruit, only the tree with the spirit within is good and bears good fruit. The point is, we need to have Jesus so we are no longer under the sin curse(transgressors of the law). Only then can we judge because at that point we are spiritual, before THAT, WE need the spirit (holyghost) to discern for us.

James said FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. Now "works' here is OBEDIENCE, LABOURING, MINISTERING, SERVING. This is what we are to do so that we will be saved. If that isn't enough evidence, notice that Paul said to STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF A WORKMAN APPROVED, and Jesus said, THE HARVEST IS PLENTIFUL BUT THE LABOURERS ARE FEW. The harvest is the whole church, BUT there are only a few within that church body who show themselves approved, are chaste virgins,(spiritually undefiled) that make up the bride.(the TRULY REGENERATED)

The Holy Ghost has convicted me that because of the above, once you are delivered from evil, you are delivered from the devil's snare. If we say we will go back to that we deny the power of God, that he that is in the SAVED is greater than he in the WORLD!

May God Bless you as well!

Angie

Hi Eric, you have said OVER AND OVER, that we don't "do" anything for salvation, it is already ours. Please go to your Bible and see how many times Jesus says you have to

1. DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER
2. HEAR HIS SAYINGS AND DO THEM
3. KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

all BEFORE he will COME TO YOU! He says, IF you do the Father's will, THEN you will be saved (born again).

Saklvation is not done by our will, you are right, but you must realize that is at the EXACT MOMENT OF REGENERATION. That happens WHEN THE FATHER IS READY TO DO IT, not us. But we MUST do his WILL before he WILL SAVE US.

If we can figure out what his will is, and what LOVING HIM the way HE WANTS US TO ENTAILS, we will NOT BE ABLE TO SAY we don't have to "do" anything. It's not "works" Eric, but ONE WORK WHICH IS OBEDIENCE. And we can ionly see what that obedience is thru the guidance and discernment of the Holy Ghost.

Please realize that there is an INITIAL PHASE TO OUR OBEDIENCE (thru the Holy Spirit) which is to walk the narrow way to spiritual death. On this walk, our spirit is sin and our flesh is sin. The SECOND PHASE OF OBEDIENCE is AFTER we are saved. This is the rest of our physical life. Here our SPIRIT IS NO LONGER SIN, but our flesh is. But God looks at the spirit and chastises us whenever we are disobedient BECAUSE OF THE FLESH. We will contend with this flesh until we are FREED FROM IT (glorified body).

angie